I would just like to add to Outlaw's mention of moral bankruptcy; that of intellectual bankruptcy. Financial bankruptcy would make for a happy trinity!
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How much would it take to bankrupt the Watchtower Organization?
by Vetro inso how much would it take to bankrupt the watchtower organization, they're already having to bleed tens of millions to child abuse victims, how much more would it take to bring the society to it's knees, i know at one point they were going to sell off bethel.
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The Watchtower are Right About Blood...
by cofty in... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.
it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.
they take pride in obedience.
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Vetro, I hear what you are saying and although I am not a believer, I think even a simple minded JW would be able to sympathetically apply the scripture that God wants "Mercy and not sacrifice" to saving a life with the use of blood rather than allowing a person to die. The JW leadership in its harsh decrees would rather sacrifice a life than save one. Where is the mercy with the Watchtower and its God? -
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Deconstructing Splanes 'Generation' explanation
by Splash inat around 4 minutes into the september 2015 video splane said "for the man and the baby to be part of josephs generation they would have had to have lived at least some time during joseph's lifespan.".
this is the lynchpin of the wt argument, that two lives must overlap to be considered the same generation.. let's take an example of twins who are born just a few minutes apart.
obviously, these twins are the same generation as each other.
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Half banana
Reference Splane's exSplaneation I'd just like to introduce a word to the forum (it may have appeared before?) it is "casuistry" and I am using it in its non-philosophical but perjorative sense. It perfectly describes the reaction by the JW org to the 'outing' of their 1914 generation doctrine.
What could they do? If they apologised they would look like charlatans for deceiving millions of people for so long and that would not do the org's image any favours. So they turn to casuistry or clever fudging with partly plausible but misleading explanations over the use of one word. They claim to be teachers (and therefore more reprehensible) and hold millions in their thrall through relentless propaganda through the columns of the Watchtower.
In the Bible the expression "This generation" is unequivocal, it was Jesus' generation. In the NEB, Matthew 24,33 Jesus said "The present generation will live to see it all"... It did not happen... Jesus got it wrong in the first century and that is that. From this failed prophecy of kingdom glory nothing further can be construed. All else is casuistry and most especially is the concept of overlapping generations applied to a future parallel fulfillment of the same event. It is ignorance on wheels.
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This week's Bible reading : Joshua: 1 Isaiah: 2
by prologos inso, you thought joshua had jehovah on command to make the sun stand still*?
well this week's bible reading shows isaiah at 2 kings 20:11 upstaging joshua!
for the prophet prompted the sun not only to stand still, but to reverse, shadows retracing backward.
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If you were given a book of magic realism; would you then go and defend its truthfulness to the death?
Hell's bells! I did once...
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Anthony Morris explains how God gives Decrees to man! New video edit.
by Wasanelder Once ini took the most recent video on "obey" and edited it down to its core.
here tony explains that the decisions of the faithful slave are arrived at "collectively" but are not a "collection" of man made decisions.
it would be comical if it weren't so sad.. tony video.
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There is a permanent disconnect here; the actual method in the transmitting of information from God to his agents on Earth is never satisfactorily or convincingly explained.
No doubt the question is frequently asked and especially more so since the governing body members are now highly visible, "How does Jehovah direct the GB?" In his attempt to say how, Morris's focus is on the GB's collective opinion and labelling it "from heaven". His body language betrays that he is not convinced himself as he utters this! Never is there mention of any method of information-transmission from God to them.
The unspoken fact is that as a body of governors they simply take a vote. Their voting is not inspired because they vote exclusively to the end that absolutely any and every decision is made towards the financial security and furtherance of the worldly interests of the WTBTS and its legal partners.
"Theocracy" and heaven's involvement is pure fantasy, a sop for the sad punters who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Why did you choose Jehovahs Witnesses?
by vinman ini'm wondering why ones on this forum initially became jw's.
if you were born in, why did you make it "your own"?
if you became one later, what was your draw and driving force?
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Village, my early experience was just like yours. I had a bible study with a school friend and indeed thought it was a cherishable sacred secret. I thought I was privileged to learn about things other didn't know. Unlike you I didn't have the pleasure of being booted out but stuck religiously with it, wasting my life on other people's mad dreams for a quarter of a century. -
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New User
by Loi_241 inhello, i'm a new user to this site.
i will like to visit you, read your stories and learn more about your experiences.
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New here!
by Mandy97 inhi guys !
hm.. i'm new in this website !
my name is mandy and i just want to meet new people!
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Half banana
Hi Mandy, you are welcome here! Where do you live in France? I am English, interested in language and visit France very frequently. Why did you chose to come to this site I wonder?
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1975 all over again!!!
by John Aquila inwt study edition jan. 2015.
here is the bait:.
as the number of kingdom proclaimers increases and as we near the end of this system of things, there is an urgent need for more facilities.
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Half banana
"Never have we felt the nearness of Armageddon and the urgency of our work as we do now"
The org saw a tremendous increase of membership leading up to 1975, even when the expected disappointment died away afterwards, the zombies carried on wearing their Watchtower brand superfine blinkers...and carried on regardless. If it worked then, the reasoning is that it will work again.
If you are on the governing body of a doomsday cult you have to keep the hype going, that’s what makes the money, it’s your job to keep it going. It’s your job to think up new stories to bamboozle your innocent followers, all “Bible based” of course.
If you can rake in two billion Dollars a year from bank investments and by draining the punters family wealth, then nothing is going to stop you from ensuring the smooth running of your sacred cash-cow. Neither by transgressing moral boundaries nor making expedient doctrinal changes will stop the Watchtower governance from safeguarding their sacred commission: hanging on to their privileged role at the top of the dung-heap, having handed down to them from Russell and Rutherford, the poison chalice of the perpetual imminence of the end of the world.
Wakey wakey Jehovah's Witnesses!
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Day Text - Sept. 19, 2015 - Obey even if not appear practical, sound, or strategic from a human standpoint - Reminder from WT 2013 Nov.15
by Muddy Waters inday text -- saturday, september 19 - "he will certainly bring about deliverance from the assyrian."mic.
today, jehovah certainly has provided an abundance of spiritual men to shepherd his precious sheep, to strengthen his people for the future attack of the modern-day assyrian.
the most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of the assyrian is that of strengthening our faith in god and helping our brothers to do the same.
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Half banana
Vidiot, I agree...it just keeps that paranoid edge to being a JW so that they will rather obey the GB than think how foolish their situation is.